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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  Then Lloyd started crying and screaming, trying to grab the phone.

  Maybe he then accused Dijana of making his sexting partner upset by reading a private and intimate text...
  
  
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  My understanding was that dijana went back home and Lloyd followed her and agreed to move there to be with her.

  Wasn’t that what Marko was saying in those FB posts in 2017? That they tried to help her get away from him and he followed? I think he said that in his testimony too.

  I doesn’t surprise me she told you that because it is completely in character for Dijana. She does not like confrontation, she felt betrayed by him and didn’t want to go through the humiliation of testifying about what he did in front of the elders. The only way she felt she could stop that behaviour was by leaving him and putting him in the position where he’d have to convince her to keep that marriage going.

  The sad thing is that she should have ended it then and there. Her life would be so much different now. But Lloyd had organisational policy on his side and what he did with those “girls” was pornea, not for fornication. I’m sure he frequently reminded her that if she left it would not be a scriptural divorce and she would not be free to marry anyone else.
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  if you have it handy LMSA later that would be appreciated

  It was a Friday morning. I ran downstairs to fetch the mail. When I came back into our bedroom, Dijana had my mobile phone in her hand and was staring at it aghast. The previous day, while she had been at work, I had been involved in cybersex with a girl I had met online. The girl had texted me back since then, and Dijana had just read the message.

  My initial response was one of anger. In a flurry of tears and screaming I tried to wrench the phone from Dijana. Then, as reality slowly dawned, I realized she had every right to know that the man she had married and made so many sacrifices for was a messed up person with serious issues. Over my single years I had developed a fixation with chatting online with girls, and this behavior had tragically spilled over into my marriage.

  The hours and days that followed were fraught with animosity, tears, and much soul searching. I had spent the last three months trying to correct the conduct of a fellow elder in the congregation, and here I was with my own faults now in sharp focus.

  The hypocrisy of it all stemmed from my ability to compartmentalize and excuse my darker side so that it almost did not exist. I genuinely believed that the only thing that mattered was how many people were hurt by my actions. If Dijana did not know what I was doing online, then she could not be hurt. With the Friday morning discovery, the naivety of this thinking became glaringly obvious. There can be no secrets in a marriage. Everything will come out in the wash eventually.

  As you would expect, Dijana was devastated. She assumed all of this somehow reflected on her as a wife. If I was engaging in online sexual encounters with other women, then in her mind, I must have no feelings for her whatsoever. I pleaded with her that this was not the case; that I loved her and wanted to be with her, but I was fighting powerful inner urges and needed help.

  Initially I tried to talk Dijana into simply forgiving me so that we could move on without involving anyone else. I intuitively knew I had reached a crossroads. I explained to her that two paths lay ahead of us. One path involved soldiering on and trying to fix our marriage without involving others. The other path involved my seeking discipline through the congregation, losing all respect and standing in the organization, and being left with really nothing to be proud of or to fight for. I had a feeling of inevitability that I was on the cusp of a downward spiral from which, due to the mountain of doubts I was already suppressing, I would never recover. The only way out of this tailspin, in my mind, was for us to deal with these problems between us rather than involve the elders.

  Dijana made it clear that she wanted the intervention of the elders, no matter the outcome. After all, this was not a one-off incident. Dijana had caught me in a similar situation only a few months after we were married, and previous attempts at sorting out my issues had clearly failed. There seemed no other option than to approach the elders this time. The trouble was, I had just come out of a long and bitter feud with Geoffrey, who I knew would relish the opportunity to exact vengeance. Dijana agreed that Geoffrey was the last person to involve in fixing our problems.
  

  We therefore decided to move back to my home congregation in Wilmslow, where I would promptly stand down as an elder, confess my sins, and accept whatever discipline was to be handed out. Wilmslow would serve as a kind of spiritual maintenance pit-stop on the way to what we both decided was our ultimate objective: a fresh start in Croatia.

  We had been discussing this move for some time—but now that fixing our marriage was of utmost priority rather than pursuing any organizational opportunities, there was no longer anything holding us back. Also prominent in our thinking were Dijana’s parents, whose health gave us cause for concern. Furthermore, living in the UK was becoming prohibitively expensive as the country, which by this point was entering the “credit crunch,” slid into recession. We were spending over £170 per month just on property taxes before paying any rent or utility bills, and we had racked up a mountain of debt in overdrafts and credit card bills. In Croatia, we could live rent-free with Dijana’s parents while slowly paying off our debts. We also had the option of finishing a semi-built apartment above their home if we wanted more privacy. We decided to go ahead with this plan, and moved out of the house we were renting. Dad agreed that we could move in with him for a couple of months before we made our final move abroad.

  I drove to the home of the coordinator for Wilmslow congregation and delivered a letter through his door. It offered my resignation as an elder and went into quite some detail regarding my sexual misconduct. I had hoped the amount of detail would be sufficient for the elders to deliberate quickly over how to deal with me, but this would not prove to be the case.

  In a series of disciplinary meetings before a “judicial committee” comprised of three elders I was asked to go into extremely intimate detail regarding the nature of my online encounters, what precisely these involved, with whom and how often. [96] These hearings were extremely emotional. I recall breaking down in tears on at least one occasion. At the time I did not feel the nature of questioning was overly invasive or inappropriate. I believed I was receiving needed discipline from God’s organization, and I simply had to man up and see it through for the benefit of my marriage. Of course, I now cringe at the thought of sharing such personal matters with men who had no more right to this information than my local postman or storekeeper, but at the time I was convinced it was necessary. [97]

  Finally, a decision was reached that I would not be disfellowshipped. Instead, I would be “publicly reproved.” This involved an announcement being read in both Bramhall and Wilmslow Kingdom Halls that I had been reproved for some unspecified sin. Normally such an announcement is deemed necessary only if the indiscretion is widely known, but for some reason (I believe due to my recent dispute with Geoffrey) it was decided that members of both congregations needed to know that I had done something seriously wrong. As well as no longer being an elder, “restrictions” would be imposed. I would be prohibited from offering comments during meeting items or giving talks for some months.

  It felt as though my downfall was complete, but I was prepared to go through the disgrace and humiliation if this was the price for correcting my problems and starting a new life with Dijana. After everything that I had put her through, she would be my focus from this point forward.

  Before long, it was time for us to relocate. We had decided to tow our belongings in a horse-box trailer that we bought on eBay—but we were unaware when collecting it that it dated to the ’50s, and the wheels (one of which fell off shortly after we bought it) were so outdated it was impossible to replace them. We paid a Wilmslow elder who was also a mechanic to perform a makeshift repair and resolved to drive at 50 mph or slower all the way to Croatia. However, we only made it as far as Birmingham (85 miles) before beholding the terrifying spectacle of one of our trailer wheels rolling past our car as we snaked downhill across several lanes of the M6 freeway. After regaining control and pulling over, we called the tow truck and had it take the horse-box back to Manchester while we carried on in our old Ford Mondeo with less than half our belongings. The car had an overheating engine, so we had to stop every two hours to top off the water during the long drive across Europe. I am still not sure how we completed the journey.

  [98] After a stressful two days on the road we were relieved to make it to Croatia on August 30, 2009. Dijana’s parents were delighted to finally have us with them. They had been without their daughter for three years, and I could tell they had missed her. Their house, where we still live, is in a small one-road village 20 minutes’ drive south of Sisak. From living in the suburbs of Manchester, we now found ourselves in a quiet rural community where people grow their own produce and keep livestock. Tractor engines chugging, roosters crowing, geese honking and dogs barking make up a large part of the typical ambience. When we first arrived, it felt like an idyllic place to take some time out and build a new life together without disturbance.

  The local Sisak congregation was extremely welcoming. In the time it takes to find your seat at the Kingdom Hall you feel like you have shaken the hands of everyone in the town, such is the warmth and enthusiasm. At the time, the congregation had approximately 100 publishers and only a handful of elders. There was initial excitement when I arrived because, being an MTS graduate, it was assumed I could help ease the burden on the overstretched elder body. But I made it clear as soon as I arrived that this would not be possible, at least for some time. I told them I was under restrictions that had been placed on me back in the UK, concerning which they would shortly be informed. [99] For the time being I would only be allowed to attend meetings and go in the preaching work. Not that this presented a huge problem for me, since I could barely speak Croatian anyway and would have found it daunting to prepare meaningful comments or talks.

  It would take nine months for my restrictions to be lifted, but by the end of this period I had undergone an unexpected transformation. The cautionary advice given to me by a close friend back home was to prove extremely astute.

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  [96] One elder from Bramhall was drafted in to sit on the three-man committee. It would not surprise me if this was at Geoffrey’s insistence. I now look back with some relief that, during my brief time as an elder, I was never called upon to deliberate at one of these tribunals.

  [97] When preparing this chapter I came across the letters and emails I sent to Wilmslow and Bramhall elders over this period, which are still on my hard drive and now make for disturbing reading. The tone is self-abasing as I prostrate myself, scrambling to avoid disfellowshipping at a time when rescuing my marriage should have been my only concern. It is obvious that I was a completely different, more servile person than I am now, and acting under powerful forces I was then unable to comprehend.

  [98] The car would die completely a month after our arrival.

  [99] Usually when a person moves between congregations a “letter of recommendation” needs to follow them from their old congregation to tell the new elders whether they are in “good standing” or not. Quite often, the letter takes some time to arrive—especially if it needs to be translated by the branch office.
  
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  does anyone have any information about what lloyd said about he and dijana moving to Croatia?

  It is in his book. I can copy and paste later if you want but from memory he gave these reasons:

  The poor health of Dijana’s parents

  the lower cost of living in Croatia vs the high cost in the UK

  a desire to “get a new start” and reset for both his marriage and his status in the JW religion.

  they were in massive debt in the UK and according to him, they would live rent free in a Croatia so they could pay it back

  He made no reference of ever returning to the UK to live. The move to Croatia was presented as more of a permanent thing.

  As for what happened before they moved, after leaving Bramhall and the elder “Geoffrey”, they moved in with Lloyd’s dad for the summer of 2009. This was when he had the JC in Wilmslow. They saved up money for the trip to Croatia, and even bought a trailer for the trip which ended up falling apart when still in England and they had to leave most of their possessions with his dad.
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  Why is everyone interested in his accounts?

  Because he said on the Patrons only video that he couldn’t make payroll and was going to be €700 in debt. The tax document he filed says he had over €8000 in the bank just three weeks before he said that.

  It would seem that he’s lying and just wants more money. That’s why it’s imperative to fact check him. He got $1000, 20 new patrons and 12 new YT members based on a lie.

  You don’t get to criticise Stephen Lett and then turn round and do the same thing as he did.
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  So here's what I'm curious about. If that income number is for sales of books etc, where is the Patreon money accounted for?

  That’s probably why 144001 wanted to see if there was an accompanying document. It would seem that all revenue from that year was done the same as 2021 and all placed under “Sales Revenue”. There is 18 HRK (€2.38) under other business income, and that’s the only other one that is populated.

  
  

  This is what the Croatian government is making public. The breakdown of the income and where it came from is probably Ipsilon Media confidential info and has not been made public. This filing seems to just show the total pulled in and its emphasis is on breaking down the expenses since they are claiming this company as a negative asset. The government already has this info and this is Ipsilon Media’s attempt to avoid a tax burden, which was successful and set at 0.
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  hang on getting popcorn for this one. JeffT: Lloyd makes online book sales.

  Also his merchandise. Check out the tabs on his YT page.

  As for the legitimacy of the documents, the LE Parody has downloaded that from the Croatian governmental tax authority that was filed with. They forwarded it to me. You’ll have to ask them for the link, and it’s been posted here before so unless LEP made up the entire thing in Croatian, forged Dijana’s signature and the company stamp, I have no reason to question that as false.

  As for the English document, full disclosure: I do not speak nor can I read Croatian. I translated that into English from the original Croatian so people don’t have to spend all day trying to read it. I have a programme which took the text out of the pdf and translated it. I then went back over it and some things didn’t translate properly as the Croatian alphabet has letters which are variations on the standard Latin one. I fed those words into google translate until I got something that made sense. Some terms I had to google. Since the only Croatian speakers I “know” are Tibor and Dijana, they are more than welcome to argue with google translate as to what the original Croatian term really means. From what I saw, Croatian has a lot of Latin loan words and I easily read words like “financijski”.

  
  

  Really? Surely he has no meltdowns left …..

  We’re on Season 2, Episode 3… we’re about to find out if he was lying about not being able to afford Tibor at 416 patrons. The resolution for yesterday’s cliffhanger will be in the next episode.

  Same time. Same channel. Next week on JWN…
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  He can "borrow" money from the company for whatever reason. There are so many loopholes to be used

  Then Ipsilon Media is essentially a slush fund. He can claim he filmed content in Thailand, comp the legal transactions there and they’d be none the wiser for it.
  
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  When I get some time over the weekend I will put on my accountant hat (green eyeshade? ) and take a look at those financials.

  Hey I have a question, for you or anyone who has enough of a background to answer this. I had opined that the litigation expenses might have been under the “other” category for expenses. But the case is listed as James Lloyd Evans vs. The M7. To use company funds and claim “defamation” hurt the company, wouldn’t it have to be Ipsilon Media vs. The M7?

  To sue as an individual, he can’t sue on behalf of the company and their claimed losses, right? He’d have to sue regarding his own wages that he set himself and claim he should have gotten more. But the wages actually ticked slightly upwards from 2021.

  €109K in expenses for a YT channel? Seems a bit cooked. €82K in straight up revenue is a solid earning for him in Croatia and even split three ways after taxes it is well over the average salary there.

  After all, this kind of legal quackery would be nothing new for him. He felt copyrights were only violated if they were being enforced, he could sign his name as “John Cedars” on AAWA incorporation documents and rang JWFT’s mum to inquire if she’d hand over the title to her home to him.
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  I have seen some situations where exjw’s have called lloyd names, harshly criticized him, made fun of him etc.

  When I heard you were coming forward, a rush of emotions came across me so much I had to sit down and contemplate what was about to happen. I didn’t know you but I knew Lloyd. I knew he’d unleash hell on you, not so much directly but by proxy. Twitter and Reddit were his backyard and they were ready. I can even name at least two whose first impulse was jumping up and defending him that ended up on his litigation list.

  February 2022 was brutal. I did the only thing I could do and so I ran interference with these goons who were attacking not only you, but CSA survivors like Sarah Davies who were actually being attacked for daring to direct attention to the facts of the matter. I consider that the saddest time ever to have been an exJW seeing how these vulnerable people were being attacked with his tacit approval.

  You held the line. We held the line. It was finally working. You likely did the same as everyone else did and that was to check his Patrons. Down to 800.. wow. 750.. 700. Happened in a matter of weeks. I remember seeing the 1 March 2022 numbers and thinking the clock was finally ticking on Lloyd Evans. It was literally the only way to measure which way the wind was blowing.

  I’ll never forget what you did. The way you composed yourself in the face of a non-stop barrage of insults, threats and negativity. You had better believe he was orchestrating it in a bid to get you to stop talking and disappear.

  I DO NOT like to draw comparisons between peoples behaviour and the borg however in this instance it’s appropriate.

  I understand the JW analogy but I think it’s a little bit off. JWs and their GB don’t follow you and harass once you’re gone. Lloyd is David Miscavige and his Cedarites are Scientology. Like Miscavige, Lloyd enjoys his luxury and if he had the means I can see him living on a cruise ship with homes in just about every port. He’s ruthless and hell-bent on revenge and frivolous lawsuits. His followers will hound you all over the internet. At least, they did. You’ll get a stray Cedarite here and there but it is fleeting and they won’t stay long to argue.
  

  I think Lloyd knows the clock is ticking on him. We now know for a fact that his plea for money was conjured up, but why did he do it other than the quick rush of satisfaction when he got the $1000 and the 20 patrons? It was a last ditch effort to save Tibor. It’s getting to the point where this business of his can only support him, Dijana and the girls at separate residences, but Tibor and Ramacro are becoming costs he’s not used to taking this close to the chest. They’ll probably be gone at 380 patrons, and will definitely be gone if he gets to 350.

  One of my favourite movies is Der Untergang, the German movie about the last days of Hitler. Just a sad shell of a man who’s been defeated, blaming everyone else but himself. Everyone failed or betrayed him. Up to the very end he’s issuing orders to retake the oil fields in Romania and his generals just look at him and nod, their troops being nowhere near or ready for such an operation. A lot like the request for 620 patrons. He commands phantom armies and thinks Steiner is going to defeat the Red Army with SS recruits. Lloyd reminds me of that. If he didn’t have the history of bullying and being such a merciless c$nt then it would be an absolutely sad sight to see.

  I must confess though that I am enjoying every minute of “The Downfall”. We still have a few more meltdowns to experience, but if we are going by the timeline of that movie, we’re at the part where Hitler is incensed that no one told him that the Soviets were only 3 kilometers from the Chancellery.